Wednesday, December 12, 2007

Understanding the Sheep and the Goats: A Q and A

The following question (from my previous entry on the Sheep and the Goats study) is a very good and important one. I will re-post it along with my reply here:

John, you know how you can easily go back and forth between "the book" and say, the Tao Te Ching (my preferred text). And in this type of comparison it is pretty apparent what the Universal Truths are,
I am wondering where there are supporting texts outside of "the book" for launching off into the New World Order stuff, and the Real ID, yada, yada.
I'm not making any judgements here.
I just think that where all the texts from all the traditions agree, you find a nexus of that which is reliably true. Where they diverge, is where I think we find that which is less reliably true, and therefore less prophetic.
Are there parallel texts supporting all the "end times" doctrines from "the book"?


Hi Politijunkie,
Good comments that deserve a detailed reply.

The reason I seldom refer to my beliefs as "eclectic" or "interfaith" is that many of my views on these things are my own, which is to say, I am not aware of any groups of people who would agree with me completely (about anything!). I do not seek to be "fair and balanced," although I always seek to be accurate in the material I share. My quest then is not "interfaith" but Truth, wherever IT resides and what IT is.

My AllFaith beliefs come from personal study, from prayer, from asking questions, from meditation, from out-of-the-body Work of various kinds and so on. I do not claim to possess special knowledge etc, I merely express my views with those who are interested and I encourage everyone to do the same. Where we agree, wonderful! When we do not, variety is after all the spice of life! I deeply believe this, even if I do sometimes seem annoyed. hehe.

Now then, most religions/traditions have end time prophecies of some sort. In some cases there are similarities (for instance between the appearance of "Jesus' second coming" and the Visnu avatar Lord Kalki who arrives on a white horse and smites the evil doers with the sword etc.). Some traditions speak of "a coming period of great evil" that will give way to "a period of light" that seems to fit in with the basic notion of the Anti-Christ (Christian), Dijal (Islamic) or Little Horn (Tanach, although not universally Jewish by this interpretation).

So, while there are countless co-existing threads, the direct parallels are not always there. As you say, the most important for Soul development are found in most traditions and those who seek Param-Atman have unlimited offerings to to explore and apply to their personal Quest from all the Great Paths.

When we move into more specific topics however we must tighten our field of source material. For instance, I can learn about "submission to God" from many sources, such as the Qur'an, the Bible, etc. but if I wish to explore the sweet depths of bhakti-yoga (which produces in my opinion a deeper, more intiment level of spiritual submission) I wont look to the Tao te Ching, the Qur'an or the works of Madame Blavatsky. I'll look to the Gaudiya Vaisnavas or to the Sikhs, etc. If you see what I mean. Specialized information generally requires specific sources. This in no way limits the relavancy or dependability of these sources!

Likewise, when we look at the Mayan Calendar Prophecies for example, they speak of the end of a cycle (not the end of the world). The Biblical prophets speak of "the end of the age" (not the end of the world as is sometimes mis-translated). According to the Mayan calender, as we reach 2012 our advancements and our consciousness "speed up" dramatically. The developments that once took us hundreds of years to acheive now take us only six months! As we progressively enter into new periods, we raise to new level of awareness. A major jump in consciousness will occur around 2012 according to these prophecies. And the I-Ching, the Maerlyn prophecies etc. support this basic view.

According to the biblical prophets, as I read them, after the Beast (who is not specifically referenced in the Mayan prophecies) is destroyed, we enter into a 1000 year period of peace and develpment where our consciousness will be expanded beyond anything we currently imagine possible. This Kingdom Period will bring us into a New Age and a New Consciousness known as the New Heaven and the New Earth -- for the former Heaven and the former earth have passed away -- (which I see as a return to the First Age of Satya Yuga. While we could knit-pick at the details of these two prophetic versions, I don't see much fundamental difference here.

Here's what I believe, in a nutshell...

I believe there are eternally revolving cycles of ages (yugas, sankalpas etc). We are currently, by general reckoning, in the fourth and final of these yuga sets known as Kali Yuga.

According to standard post-Vedic calculation, this yuga has about 400,000 years left to go. According to this version, in the later periods of this cycle average lifespans decrease horrifically and righteousness all but vanishes from the face of the earth. It gets so bad that spiritual people must hide in caves to avoid detection by the demonic (world) government. This is almost the exact thing the Qar'an says is going to happen and is suported by other ancient sources as well. Again, one could knit-pick but the basic account is the same.

Master Y'shua (Jesus) said that if the days following the re-establishment of Israel (and the rise of the Beast that soon follows) were not shortened, no flesh would be saved... and here's the important part, "But for the Elect's sake those days will be shortened."

Biblically speaking who are the Elect? Despite certain unbiblical protests to the contrary, they are clearly the Jews.

What is one of the main things the New World Order System has been trying to accomplish since 1913/17 (when the Federal Reserve/NWO usurped the United States government)? Trying to destroy the Jews! The Elect.

Even in 1948 when the US and other countries agreed to the establishment of Israel they refused to defend the decision! According to many reports of the day the West fully expected the Arab Muslims to easily destroy the new country of Israel, thus wiping out a million plus Jews and stopping Zionism dead in its tracts. "At least we tired!" they would have said, "Its not our fault they fell!"

But the One had other plans for the elect!

Why?

Because the ONLY chance we have to avoid 400,000 years of hell on earth is to stand with Israel! This I believe.

As I suggest in the previous study, the "Goats" or Novus Ordo Seclorum side want to establish a global secular reign. Such a reign would result in the realization of the post-Vedic and similar prophecies: 400,000 years of human deprivation and enslavement!

"...but for the Elect's sake those days will be shortened..."

The biblical prophets talk like its a done deal ("calling the things that are not as though they were" is a powerful tool when done wth Knowlege), like the war is already over and the Light Side wins ... but the war continues for now! The Sheep could lose if they don't resist! If the Sheep allow Israel and the Jews to be wiped out we will lose!

In this the Mayan (and similar) prophecies are more accurate in my opinion because they suggest a choice and the need for personal decisions to be made. If we wish, the dark days will come. If we wish, there will be Light. My take on the Mayan and similar prophecies is that they end at 2012 because we, humanity, must make a decision by or near that point. How do we wish to proceed? It is up to us! Will we unite for the Light or the Dark?

It is my belief that following the Kuruksetra War, described in the Mahabharata and highlighted in the Bhagavad Gita, our present Kali Yuga began. The Ek Devata (the One) chose Abraham, basically as described in the Torah, to establish a global Kingdom of Light that could cut this age short. Master Y'shua was one of the historic Masters responsible for furthering the Kingdom along. From the time of Father Abraham a mere (by comparison) 4000 some odd years have past and because of those years over 400,000 years of "hell on earth" can be avoided... IF... we so choose. If not, if we choose the "Dark Side" then the coming King, the New World Order's crowned Rex Mundi (world Ruler) will be enthroned over the word and his reign will not be interrupted as foreseen in the Bible, and we will have nothing to look forward to other than 400,000 years of de-evolution until, in the end, the Holy One will say, "Enough! and send Lord Kalki."

I sincerely believe we are now at the point of Decision.

ALL of the world's religions share light and hope and warning... ALL of them. But because of the charge laid on the Jewish progenitor, Father Abraham, none are as informative ON THIS TOPIC as the biblical prophets.

For enlightenment, for spiritual development, for development of mystic abilities and so on, MANY other religions have more to say than the Bible. The Bible is essentially the Sacred Book of Politics and it has the most accurate prophets by far of any.

The Truth however: This Too Will Pass!

We are eternal beings and the goings on on this little rock we call home are not nearly as important as they now appear to us to be. At the same time though, we ARE here, in this place at this time for a reason... and so our experiences here DO MATTER.

What will we do?
Speaking for myself, I will Stand!

Shalom

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