I would ask if an American Christian can be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to the "one true God" above all else.
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by them except their own.
Scripturally , no. Because they are told in their Bible that nothing comes before their god.
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to the kingdom of heaven.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance is to other like minded people, and obviously as evidenced by the preceding e-mail, they are capable of stirring up hate for other religions or ethnic groups.
Politically, no. Because they are led by the "preachers" of their religion to follow the "morals" set forth by those leaders.
Domestically, no. Because he (males) are instructed in their Bible to be the ruler of their household, women are instructed to be subservient to the male.
Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitutions premise that all men are created equal, including those that believe in other powers or gods.
Philosophically, no. Because any religious or moral differences are looked at with suspicion and fear. There is no way but the "Christian" way.
Spiritually, no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is portrayed as loving and kind, or with a wrath capable of destroying all in his path, depending on the "Christian's" mood. Their god is the one we must all bow down to.
Therefore after having been raise in a "Christian" household, after having the "Christian" ideas shoved down my throat and beaten into me for years, and after having experienced the "Christian" ideals.... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL CHRISTIAN in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Christians and good Americans. Call it what you wish.....it's still the truth.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be....for the religious war is bigger and more complex than most Americans currently know or understand.
''''I THINK SOME RED FLAGS SHOULD BE GOING UP HERE''''
[I think this last line is from Tim]
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to the "one true God" above all else.
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by them except their own.
Scripturally , no. Because they are told in their Bible that nothing comes before their god.
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to the kingdom of heaven.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance is to other like minded people, and obviously as evidenced by the preceding e-mail, they are capable of stirring up hate for other religions or ethnic groups.
Politically, no. Because they are led by the "preachers" of their religion to follow the "morals" set forth by those leaders.
Domestically, no. Because he (males) are instructed in their Bible to be the ruler of their household, women are instructed to be subservient to the male.
Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitutions premise that all men are created equal, including those that believe in other powers or gods.
Philosophically, no. Because any religious or moral differences are looked at with suspicion and fear. There is no way but the "Christian" way.
Spiritually, no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is portrayed as loving and kind, or with a wrath capable of destroying all in his path, depending on the "Christian's" mood. Their god is the one we must all bow down to.
Therefore after having been raise in a "Christian" household, after having the "Christian" ideas shoved down my throat and beaten into me for years, and after having experienced the "Christian" ideals.... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL CHRISTIAN in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Christians and good Americans. Call it what you wish.....it's still the truth.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be....for the religious war is bigger and more complex than most Americans currently know or understand.
''''I THINK SOME RED FLAGS SHOULD BE GOING UP HERE''''
[I think this last line is from Tim]
My reply:
[Tim] wrote:
John what do think of this e-mail Tim
/2/2008 11:10:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
From:
I would ask if an American Christian can be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?
Yes. It would be possible IF the United States were pursuing a course of peace and justice in the world, if it recognized the sanctity of life from conception to the grave and if it awarded Christians the freedom to share their faith without hindrance.
However, as this clearly is no longer the case, in today's world, I would answer no. I don't see how a devout Christian would not be inclined to express loyalty to a nation such as the US is becoming. The US is embracing the ways of Antichrist.
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to the "one true God" above all else.
This point would not prohibit Christians from loyalty or patriotism if they had cause to believe the US had godly intentions. Rather, they would seek to further God's will from within the structure of the nation. This is how the US was for most of our history. A church may not be perfect but the members can use its structure to further God's will. If the church becomes apostate however the Christians will move on. Christians are now disavowing their loyalty to this increasingly godless and anti-God nation.
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by them except their own.
Not so because Christianity does not, in its modern history, support the denial of religious freedoms to those of other faiths. American Christians understand that the same Constitutional protections that once granted them religious liberty here also grants it to all other faiths. For Christians, the presence of other religions merely offers a close-to-home missions field. While Christianity is traditionally an exclusive Path, for the past few hundred years it has not sought to outlaw or restrict the practice of other religions. Christian patriotism does not require all members of the society to be Christian.
Scripturally, no. Because they are told in their Bible that nothing comes before their god.
True. Nothing comes before God for devout Christians, however as shown by groups like the Salvation Army, the Christian Children's Fund and so on many other things are very important: family, friends, justice, mercy, compassion, health, stability etc. etc. The Christian will not bow before the government of any nation as being supreme, however respect for the government was clearly taught by Jesus who said, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, but unto God the things that are Gods." Political loyalty is commanded of Christians in many places in the Bible.
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to the kingdom of heaven.
Not quite. His (her) allegiance is to the King (Jesus), not to the Kingdom. When it pleases to the King to establish the Kingdom the Christian will certainly be happy, but until then he (she) will remain loyal to the nation in which God has seen fit to place her (him). Until the physical manifestation of the Kingdom occurs, the Christian dwells within the inner Kingdom in complete obedience to first the King, and then the nation in which he/she lives as the King has ordered.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance is to other like minded people, and obviously as evidenced by the preceding e-mail, they are capable of stirring up hate for other religions or ethnic groups.
Anyone is capable of stirring up hate or any other emotion. The Christian however is forbidden to do so by his/her Lord. If he disobeys it is due to his lack of obedience not to the commands he is supposed to follow. I have not seen the reference d e-mail but I have certainly been the brunt of Christian hatred and prejudice. Such short fallings speak to the spiritual immaturity of the Christian, not to the Church of Jesus or the God it seeks to serves. No one, including Christians, are without sin and error.
Politically, no. Because they are led by the "preachers" of their religion to follow the "morals" set forth by those leaders.
Many are, however again this is in violation of the Message they are supposed to send forth. Jesus' message what that the "Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath" while Paul reminds us that, "Nothing is unclean of itself, but to him who deems a thing unclean, for him it is." In other words, Christians, as a general statement, are ignorant of the biblical teachings. this does not however alter the true teachings of our Master.
Domestically, no. Because he (males) are instructed in their Bible to be the ruler of their household, women are instructed to be subservient to the male.
Such rules are based on first century culture and customs. It is also said that the wives are to submit to the husbands as the husband submits to Christ. IF the husband is submitted to Christ he will not lord it over his wife. Like Christ, he will empower her to attain her best. Again, in Genesis it is said that Eve was taken from Adam's side. Why? To walk beside her not over her. We must appreciate the 2100 years that divide us from the first century and "rightly divide the Word of truth."
Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitutions premise that all men are created equal, including those that believe in other powers or gods.
And yet those same writers wrote that the Constitution was written under the assumption that Americans would always be a religious people because the system it implemented was 'wholly unworkable for any other.' The founders of the US, most of whom were Christians with Deist leanings, envisioned the US as a country of religious, mainly Christian, people where no particular religious body would hold undue authority. It worked fairly well until 1913 when the US fell and the independent Federal Reserve Board and the Counsel on Foreign relations (1921) was born.
Christians believe that ALL men are created equal: sinners in need of Jesus. There is no problem here. Christianity seeks to rectify the human condition and thereby to better society.
Philosophically, no. Because any religious or moral differences are looked at with suspicion and fear. There is no way but the "Christian" way.
This is correct. So what? As citizens of a free country Christians have the right to their beliefs the same as all others. This does not stop them from working with others for the social good. Everyone believes their way is best.
Spiritually, no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is portrayed as loving and kind, or with a wrath capable of destroying all in his path, depending on the "Christian's" mood. Their god is the one we must all bow down to.
This is actually a new addition to the pledge that wasn't added until the 1930's. I personally believe it is wholly inaccurate and should be removed from the pledge and from US currency. The US today is clearly not a nation under God. The US government is in fact in direct opposition to the Christian God on many many topics. The problem here is not the Christian's attitude to the statement, but the statement itself. The US is certain not united religiously.
Therefore after having been raise in a "Christian" household, after having the "Christian" ideas shoved down my throat and beaten into me for years, and after having experienced the "Christian" ideals.... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL CHRISTIAN in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Christians and good Americans. Call it what you wish.....it's still the truth.
It depends on what you mean by "good Americans." If your view of "good Americans" is to march lock-step with the Secular Humanist views and globalist agenda that is creating a nation the country's founders never envisioned, then I'm inclined to agree. true Christians can not in good conscious support the evil emerging from the White House and Congress.
If however you mean they can not be good patriots of this land, willing to stand and fight the emerging one world system and the evil it is bringing, then I must disagree. IF the Christians in this nation would rise and stand this evil would stop and out nation would be saved and returned to its Constitutional basis. Unfortunately, as our prophets foretold, this is not likely. Of the Christian religion today Jesus tells John:
Rev.3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
The Christian Church today, as a general statement, has become lukewarm and hypocritical and God is, even now, vomiting it from His mouth.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be....for the religious war is bigger and more complex than most Americans currently know or understand.
The war is absolutely coming soon. There is no question about this. Christians, Jews and others will be gunned down in the streets, shipped away to Black Sites for torture and eventual death.
Yes my friend, the war is coming:
Matt. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
In the short term, you're side will win glorious victories, but in the long term, to save the Jews:
Matt. 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee [Jews] a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
''''I THINK SOME RED FLAGS SHOULD BE GOING UP HERE''''
I don't see why Tim. This is nothing new. The prophecies are being fulfilled before our eyes every day. You are a minister my brother, this can not be a surprise to you. I'll post this to my blog and see what others think.
Shalom,
John
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